You are totally right S, in that Love in any form is NOT in conflict with Love.

We know from the Apostle John that ANYONE who Loves both knows God and is BORN OF God. In that light can we say there is ANY person who has not loved in some way or some form? I say surely not. Love is a most human trait, and even in the created world of other forms of life, I believe there is also love.

It was Love that formed the present world. Every fine little detail, it's purposes, it's direction, it's fate, it's addition to the whole in some form, whether by suffering or by tribulations and travails, all these things were formed by Love, for Love and God EXPANDS dramatically in the process by all these things. And in that light I see us all and all things in The One.

Where division lines come in we may have differences. For example I also believe that God also made special temporal workings to form this present world. Those workings encompass sin, evil and death. These things were never meant to be permanent, but temporal. They are however very real present "tools." And they are "epitomized" in scripture as being "of the devil." A TEMPORAL BUT REAL POWER.

Many at this forum continue in blame and accusations to their fellow man in various forms for being "these things." We may all (beyond doubt to me) be presently BOUND with some of these TEMPORAL POWERS, but THOSE THINGS are not US as Gods offspring. This is where I draw my lines and make my marks. Living in Perfection toward The One, and OPEN RESISTANCE to the other, and in that way I look for my Perfect Brothers and Sisters who DIVIDE this way in what I consider Truth.

The big wishy washy blind eye in the sky doesn't do much for me. I have a great deal of respect for the 'ink.' God has Divine Purpose and Exacting Intent in every single last detail to some extent or another, and ultimately first to the Good, and then to The Perfect, where creation will abide forever in some way. God chose to DISPLAY Himself for very good and specific reasons and intents IN ISRAEL, a picture of all mankind, and in opposition to the Gentiles, a picture of the temporal fashioning tools. These are wider ranging views than are commonly held in "the churches."

And that is what Elisha saw on that mountain. He saw the enemies, but he also saw that they were Gods OFFSPRING, meant to be brought in the the very heart of Israel, and fed and watered as His Own, there. And he saw that they were also presently bound (those who were with them,) and Elisha DIVIDED Gods offspring from the temporal powers that God made, bound ALL with and whom HE ALSO controls and directs. That is what The Prophet shows me anyway, and in that I remain in awe of His Control over ALL THINGS, even the temporally but very real BAD things. These are not illusions my friend, nor will these tools go away by wishful thinking or painting them illusory. They, the sin, evil and death, are meant to apply and EXERT very real PRESSURE for the formation of Eternal Things and form they will by His Hand. Not all can accept this or look in this direction, and I'm OK with that as well.

enjoy!

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