chatzy, one of the first things you can tell (if you have been through it yourself) is when Christ first is revealed in someone is how prideful they become against those whom he has not been revealed in: Thats why Paul says plainly he was given the messengers of Satan to buffet him so this pride would not win out: Just because we are given the 'mind of Christ" doesn't mean the UNJUST is not also resurrected in us and this Pharoah, this King of Pride, does not even wake up till Christ is revealed:

here we see those who are given the crown of life, become so arrogant against those who are still asleep; all religion is the big enemy now; thats also why we are warned against the circumcision; those whose hearts have been given a new light, because this light is going to be assaulted till Christ has put down all his enemies under his feet and these are within us, not without.

fully agree. First the man of sin has to be revealed as has been and is the case with me and oh how I hate it. How could I have lived with it, unknowingly, for so long. And indeed, it never manifested, not the slightest inkling, until Christ was revealed in me.

so how does this King of Pride manifest? He thinks he is god, he is Christ, he has a right to all the good that is given to him; HE JUSTIFIES HIMSELF and not God

this is a mistake, a sin, missing the mark

not quite. And I prefer to speak from my own experience rather than quoting scripture. Firstly we are not all following the same script. We do not have a clearly defined left or right or catholic or protestant or enlightened versus unenlightened. We each have a little bit of everything manifesting at different times and of some parts sometimes more than at other times. I cannot see myself as either an arm or a leg or an ear or a nose, I am an undefinable part of the body.Now the difficult part: I am God, I am Christ. Firstly this: to think you are not God or not Christ...that's the sin, the only sin which executes separation and all the lies and deceptions that brings with it. Allegorically speaking we don't die because we sin, we sin because we are dead (separated from God). In LIFE there is no sin and LIFE is only in God. We got separated by the will of God which could well be expressed by evolution(not a definitive statement). After all it was God who said: let's create an image, a dream, an unreality, a lie.

one of the way this manifests is judging the whole religious world as commiting idolatry with JESUS:


oh the pride that thinks it did something to deserve this light, even though we are told we would not receive the whole Kingdom till it was SIFTED at the end of time

and who sifts? Angels (messengers)

and what did Jesus say to Peter when Christ was revealed in him??? Satan has asked to sift you, but I have prayed for you that when you are CONVERTED, then you will be able to strengthen your brothers.

Satans messengers buffet the soul who has the "mind of Christ" (look at Paul) and God will not remove those messengers, but they must be TRANSFORMED into apostles of Christ even as Satan himself (falling from heaven) is being transformed into an angel of light.

you think this transformation is easy? First this war in heaven must be revealed to you before you even know what is going on

in the beginning the light is so prescious, so wonderful, the fat cows are rich in spirit indeed; but Jesus said to the rich in spirit, take up your cross and follow me, and the rich man didn't want to: HE WAS JUST GIVEN THESE RICHES; why should he now give them up?

Agree. A very good explanation of truth.

seeing Christ in you

and becoming ONE WITH CHRIST in you, dying to what remains after he is revealed


are two different things

becoming ONE with Christ to me means becoming aware of what in truth we already are and always have been. There is nothing to die but death, which is carnal mind.

the good news is God does finish what he started

the Jesus you thought would never make you take up your cross, because he hung on it for you, is the TRUTH:

the cross to me is the central tenet of spiritual growth. But not the cross of a man 2000 years ago but the very cross I am carrying now and am yearning to lay down. That;s why an historical Jesus did not exist for me for it achieved nothing for me that I did not have to go through myself. Simply put, if there never was a Jesus or a Bible or a God in my consciousness, everything would still be the same today for everything is of God. We might witness it but we can neither add nor subtract from it.

CHRIST OUR PASSOVER (the right to enter the holy of holies) has been sacrificed for us


but, now, our atonement is that this: IF I BE LIFTED UP


I WILL DRAW ALL MEN (all spirits, all wills) unto me

atonment day or what Jews call Yom Kippur, has not been fulfilled by Jesus Christ in history, because it will be fullfilled with EACH AND EVERY MAN at the end of time and that time is the last generation

exactly. That's precisely what I have been saying for some time now and I am glad you do too. Now the last generation is not the last generation in the history of mankind but that of each person personally FOR EACH PERSON IS ALL THERE IS FOR THAT PERSON.


the ONE that sees the coming of the Son of Man

so, if you see Christ in you........be happy but watch for the adversary who will sift you in the "WAY"

yes, I hear you

and before you get to see him face to face, this abomination of desolation, you haven't even begun to deal with the real reason of Jesus second coming

Jesus is not a man in history who died on a cross to those of us who "KNOW HIM"

but the MAN God is making in his image and likeness right within his HOUSE, his temple, which temple you are

yet, who really is that temple??????

amen, amen. I am getting excited for I have heard all this before..straight from the top.

the Lamb and God are the Light and temple

so yes, its all GOOD, but Good must overcome all evil

and if you still think that just because you no longer see Jesus as a man in history who was hung on a cross (which was Christ crucified by the way)

but you see him as the risen Christ in you

does not mean that this same Christ is finished putting all his enemies under his feet.........IN YOU

true, true, don't I know it

there are no enemies outside ourselves

I have said so many times before, even 2 days ago

thats why I fight so hard against someone who calls Jesus a sinner, when he is the CHRIST and the CHRIST is called JESUS

but, I fight against these same people who are telling others that they will now straighten out the whole religious world

what arrogance

if Christ had to reveal himself in them

he won't have to do the same in the whole world?

if they want to die for the world, they will have their chance and then they can say they did something for the world

because no greater love has any man/spirit/will than to lay DOWN HIS LIFE for his friends

when they have experienced their own death and resurrection and not just the resurrection of CHRIST, they will be much more HUMBLE

I am not fighting anymore and neither are you. For your words are from God sending forth that which will not return to him void. But you already know that.
It was very nice to meet you again and I am so glad that I can understand you a lot better than I used too. Of course you kept all this very simple for my sake, right?