There is much confusion about the Flesh and what it is. I do not deny that Christ did not come in flesh, or in your flesh, but I do deny the Reality of Flesh to be absolute. Flesh is relative, and therefore can only be allegorical of what it can only reflect. Just as a shadow is two dimensional representation of the three dimensional so is Flesh the three dimensional shadow of that which is four dimensional and is Space Time not as an extension but in Absolute terms. It cannot be quantified, separated, or delineated in horizontal linear time.

The dream of this World ACTUALLY proves the Reality of the WAKING STATE OF HEAVEN. I do not think anyone here will argue about being awake in Heaven and not asleep.Sleep and dreams are not relative to Heaven. "Time shall be no more" and there is no provision for the "Sun and the Moon" as we know it temporally. It is the Sun and Moon that enables Space to be seen and Time to be measured by, but of course even that is by Mind. No such units of measurement of either time or space exist except psychologically.

The fact also of your false state proves the reality of your divine state from which your illusory self and illusory world have their extyensions. The illusory nature of your present state is partly a result of it's mortality and corruptibility, as it LACKS HAVING THE GLORY OF GOD. Nethertheless it can only exist because of that Glory, just as the Glory of the Sun casts a shadow upon all.

Below I will add what I have posted on Kingdom Talk which is relevant:

Leah I do not write from a psychological center of gravity, that sees the need to act or react, which we know as the "self". I find it unacceptable to write from a state that is in continous conflict with not only itself but others discussing around that state of "me' and "you' which is always conflictual. To me there is no such thing as this relative "me" or "you"....there is only the Absolute God the Father "out of whom are ALL THINGS."

I therefore see no conflict between what you write and what I have been given. Of course this view is unacceptable to flesh and it's source carnal mind. To put it differently, man has imbibed the very fruit of the Tree of knowledge, and is at war with himself according to Romans Chapter 7. Man is unique amongst all other forms of life in this respect and therefore contains not only Good and Evil but also Life and Death, Spirit and Flesh within that realative state of separated identity the "self"/ "body of death". If the "Flesh" as we know it, is not this "Body of Death" then what is it?And what do we know of Him, who learned obedience through suffering in the "days of his flesh" and glorified that state to SPIRIT, on realising THAT WAS HIS TRUE STATE HE HAD WITH THE ABSOLUTE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS, as John's Gospel explains.Now it is that state that "never leaves us or forsakes us."

This endeavour to be a flesh and blood person is a conceptualization, of a fallen mind feeding from the Tree of Knowledge of good and Evil, FORGETTING that he/she is just one object among teeming billions. In other words man has totally separated himself from the Tree of Life which sees no individual branches leaves etc but just ONE WHOLE. So man feeding from the tree of Knowledge speaks as Mary says with a "forked tongue." For me to reply to all those questions that only the Tree of Knowledge can give, would also be the same result. But as I wrote from what is given to me, I am no longer functioning from my psychological sense of "me" that needs to defend or justify it's false illusory existence.I suggest Leah you ignore the words as they are lengthy and weighty and cannot convey what Spirit says: as Spirit only speaks spirit. I suggest you ignore what your mind prompts, and all the conditioning that is contained in memory and seize that Silence from which they came.There is infinitely more Truth in the gap between my words, the silence that is the thunder of punctuation that points to the Absolute.

There is no independant, separate you or me for it is obvious to Spirit and Truth that God is "ALL IN ALL". God/Spirit is not an objective noumenon of religion, but the Absolute Principle by which all others receive their being but All from the Same Source never separate. Unfortunately the Flesh being what it is, is not prepared to give up the relative "me' that is subject to death, to become the Absolute "I AM". Man instead wants this "me" to undergo a process of disintegration of it's unacceptable state so it may gain a more acceptable state that is no longer subject to disintegration or corruption.But you see this process in itself admits still of functioning from the duality of the Tree of Knowledge, which is corruptible and relative. It is like drowning man clinging to the Titanic as it goes down.

Essentially man wants only a temporary death, so his "me" can readjust to become an absolute subject in itself.That is man's conceptualisation of the Resurrection. It is still the old formula revealed in the Garden of Eden, to eat of the Tree of Knowledge so one "can be as God" that is Equal but separate, is that not the whole thrust of the message of Christendom as taught Today in the Established Churches? The Physical resurrection of the Body into a physical but renewed Garden of Eden.In reality it is like the Monopoly Board we go back to "square one," the others "Go straight to Jail."

Man is not prepared to accept death as the FINAL disintegration of his objective "self', for man cannot see himself as SPIRIT. This is why there is IMMENSE RESISTANCE to this idea we are SPIRIT BEINGS. We still see ourselves as Flesh containing spirit. It is impossible for "Old Skins" to contain Spirit, nor is the New Skin the same as the old. It does not say old skins are perished or even full of holes,but rather it just cannot contain Spirit. Only the New Creation which is SPIRIT, can forever remain NEW, and not grow old and perish. Scripture tells us "All Flesh is as Grass" it perishes and is corruptible.It is not "mere Spirit' but rather "mere Flesh" that has to GO.

The Flesh being eternally fixated in form or body, cannot envisage the possibility THAT which has alaways been eternally PRESENT does not need a form in order to be present. Actually experience tells us otherwise, all separate forms must disintegrate. Even a Mountain will eventually erode away.

To Spirit Death does not exist. That which ceases to identify with form as a "me" and "you" has nothing to give up. When the Christ said "I can of myself do nothing" he was declaring THAT which was before Abraham: "I AM THAT I AM" from which all forms fall way in that realisation.You see the Christ was declaring that he was not anything that was separate from the Absolute Subjective State which the Father was and is and will be. Actually all we are as a "me" or "you" are but psychic images projected by mind. Of course the Christ came as "flesh" to separated minds which this world is full of as the "seed of David", but to those who can truly say "It is not me who doeth the Works" they can only apperceive SPIRIT as the Son of God for they: "no longer know Christ according to the Flesh....behold New things have come."2Cor5:16-17.

Living and dying are only states of carnal mind, they are ultimately concepts of mind. Both birth and death are not experiences that we can recall, except from imagination. To have the "Mind of Christ" you can only BE ALL IN ALL, all "thoughts are led captive to Christ" so you can no longer conceptualise your existence or mine.

It is only the repetitive mechanical nature of our thoughts, that allows any object animate or inanimate to appear as an image in our minds. For thoughts also have a visual content. It is our thoughts extending in Space and Time that gives form to what is actually "energy". Each individual quanta and it's repetitions are so unimaginably fast, that no wonder Quantum Physics now sees the Experimenter {Subject} effecting his experiment[object].

If you apperceive by Spirit what is being stated here, it is that this "me" or "you" is false, it is the "old Man" the "flesh" and has no extension in eternity only in time and space and "cannot know the things of God."

There is much, much more but my normal life is so active I have to often write till 2 -3 a.m. and I wonder how my wooly head can make sense to anyone. Spirit is willing but flesh is weak.